Friends, Major Major, countrymen, lend me your newsreaders:
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Post by Major MajorPost by LJMI don't have any problem whatsoever with A Clockwork Orange. It was
one of my favourite books when I first read it fifteen years ago, and
it remains one of my favourite books today. I like the film also. I
just don't think it's as condemning as somebody here would have us
believe.
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Post by Major MajorYes, I think it's becoming increasingly apparent that you can't
tolerate opinions that don't agree with your own.
Wrong. I've already pointed out that you might disagree with my
interpretation. How is that intolerant exactly? As Oscar Wilde said,
diversity of opinion about a work of art shows that the work is complex
and vital. What's apparent is that you think you can not only trash
interpretive opinions that conflict with your own, but call people
stupid for having them. If you expect somebody to treat you with kid
gloves after you called them stupid, then you're thicker than I thought.
[.snip a lot of bizarre irrelevant bullshit in the name of brevity.]
Post by Major MajorSun-readers would argue that ACO glorifies violence, just as they
erupted with rage over the Brass Eye paedophile show. That is
precisely the view you are now supporting.
No it's not. Because I don't think it glorifies violence. I'm sorry to
shatter your binary little world, but just because I don't think ACO
condemns violence doesn't mean I think it glorifies it. I offered an
interpretation of the film that is hardly uncommon (I can cite you some
professional reviews from the Times Literary Supplement if you like) and
based on my own experiences as a fan of the book and film for a very
long time. You OTOH can only use the uncited opinions of miscellaneous
reviewers because you seem incapable of thinking for yourself. And many
of those opinions hardly back you up. For example (note the relevance
of the title to my own interpretation about the methods of Project
Socialism):
Behavioral conditioning is unacceptable
Emanuel Goldman from Greater New York City area
"By setting up such an extreme situation, where virtually everyone in
the audience would condemn Alex's activities, Kubrick has placed the
issue of free will versus behavioral conditioning in the forefront.
There are no mitigating circumstances in Alex's behavior to confuse us
morally; if ever anyone should be reconditioned, Alex is the
candidate. Thus, what a shock to discover in ourselves the feeling
that even if Alex becomes a criminal again, it would be preferable."
And what about this one?
David Lockeretz
Richard Nixon Parkway, CA
"Like all Kubrick films, it cannot be read simply on a literal level.
It does not endorse or condemn violence; it simply attempts to show
its role in society and the effects of different ways of dealing with
it."
So your IMDB justification is dismissed as bullshit.
Post by Major MajorYou simply will not accept that many critics of both film and
literature believe the book to be a powerful condemnation of
ultra-violence.
I've explained why I think otherwise, citing direct examples of the
book. You have used imdb reviewers to back your case, and it transpired
not to be a wise move. Far from aligning yourself with them, you've
marginalised yourself because it seems the reviewing minions don't agree
with you en masse at all. All you've demonstrated is that you think art
is as 'instructive' as a lecturer's blurb. Might I refer you to the
'commandments' <g> at the beginning of Wilde's TPODG?
Post by Major MajorViddy-well my friend, and
pray leave us deeper-thinking 'Guardian' types alone, and allow us the
courtesy of holding alternative opinions on the subject.
You'll find me on Page 39 of last Saturday's Guardian Review you
condescending prick. I find it very difficult to believe that somebody
who indulges in embarrassingly sixth form methods of psychoanalysis to
avoid the point at hand, who thinks art can be interpreted in such black
and white terms, who pigeonholes people based on the newspapers they
read, would even read such an astute magazine as that. Let alone the
newspaper it comes with. Far from it, you appear to be wearing the
Guardian like a Chav wears a burberry baseball cap. As some bizarre
expression of status. How very sad that you think anybody cares.
--
Lee J. Moore
"Life is short, art is long."